Post #2: Two articles in conversation with each other

12/23/2021

For our second post, we are going to combine the skills that you practiced in the first post with practice writing about multiple texts at the same time--in other words, putting texts in conversation with each other. This is an important skill for research writing. Research is the bringing together of many ideas--of your own and the ideas of others--into conversation with each other. It's like a big dinner party where many people are talking all at once about one subject.

Before you Post: Please take a look at this list of VERBS FOR INTRODUCING SUMMARIES AND QUOTATIONS.

For your Post:
1. You have 300 words for this post. it's still not that many words.
2. Use at least 5 different verbs from the introducing summaries and quotations lists.
3. Identify what each argument is separately.
4. Identify the ways these essays are connected to each other, in terms of argument.
5. Identify the ways these essays are different from each other, in terms of argument.

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Jialu Tan

12/24/2021 08:59:10 pm

These two passages are different from their perspective about getting into a college. From Ellen Ruppel Shell, college is not worth anymore, while in Emma Kerr’s article, she encouraged student to getting into the college.
Both passages emphasize that the loans for students and family would be higher. According to Emma Kerr, “the survey found that on average, near-graduates think it will only take six years to pay off their student loan debt, but other data shows it will likely take 20 years.” This is corresponding to what Ellen Ruppel Shell stated that “By last summer, Americans owed more than $1.3 trillion in student loans, more than two and a half times what they owed a decade earlier.”
However, Ellen Ruppel questioned the importance of college in finding a job. “Does the college help students to get higher pay, or the people already to get higher-paying jobs.” Since according to the research, race would have a strong influence on the factors that determined the salary. Also, a statistic showed that “People who have dropped out of college — about 40 percent of all who attend — earn only a bit more than do people with only a high school education: $38,376 a year versus $35,256.” Also, Ellen Ruppel claims that people with poor born would have less value if they get into the college, since they would earn even less compared to high school graduates. Also, only about 25% of job would require the bachelor's degree, according to Bureau of Labor Statistics, which reaffirms the idea that college is not worth anymore.
Emma Kerr celebrates the facts that “annual wages for the bottom 25th percentile of college graduates is less than the median wages earned by a typical worker with a high school diploma, according to a 2014 study by the New York Fed.” But “the long term the combination of specific and general education you get in a bachelor's degree is more valuable than specific education alone in any particular field," Carnevale says. "The B.A. is still the gold standard", which is different than what Ellen wanted to express.

George Ni

12/26/2021 10:42:21 pm

The two articles discussed the issue of college education, but the authors argue for different viewpoints. In the first article written by Kerr, the author claims that students should make a wiser choice in whether to attend the four-year college education based on their own situation. In the second article written by Shell, the author questions the fairness and usefulness of college education in career path. The author advocates for more chances providing for the poor people and workers with high school diploma.

Both articles agree that whether college education is worth for students is based on their own situations. For example, Kerr acknowledges the viewpoint that there are better alternatives for the bottom 25% percentage of students in colleges. Shell supports the claim by saying that college students from lower classes don’t have opportunities to access to jobs with higher wages. Two authors agree that for specific groups of students, college education is not necessary. In addition, the two authors point out that the student’s loan and financial cost for attending colleges are big obstacles for students to pursue their college education.

However, Kerr and Shell have different points of view. In Kerr’s point, even though financial problems exist for most students, they should also consider the value of college education in turning then to a critical thinker and engaged member of society, which other alternatives can’t provide. In contrast, Shell’s idea contradicts to this point. Shell believes that employers prefer to hire those have the bachelor’s degree not because it’s useful in working. It acts as a privilege or certificates that these people are more competent, but this may not be true. The biggest difference between two article is that Kerr admits the value for college education, but Shell questions the usefulness of college in a work setting.

Moreover, Kerr’s audience are those students facing the choice of whether to go to college. Kerr wishes the audience could clearly understand the benefits and challenges of attending a four-year college education. Shell’s audience are government and employers. Shell wishes them to pay more attention to those who don’t have access to a high wage salary because they don’t have access to college education.

ruoqi xu

12/27/2021 10:09:18 am

Both of these articles discuss education issues, but the views of the two authors are different. Ellen Ruppel Shell believes that the fairness of university education in future career development will be questioned. However, Emma Kerr suggests that entering university is worthy of encouragement. Four-year university education has certain advantages, and students should also make decisions based on their own circumstances.
Both articles agree that students should decide whether to enter the university based on their own circumstances. Emma Kerr agrees" Students whose chosen career fields don't require a bachelor's degree, or those whose families determine the benefits do not outweigh the cost, might want to begin exploring alternatives to a four-year education.” Ellen Ruppel Shell supports this statement, endorses that college students from lower classes have no chance of getting a higher-paying job. The two authors agreed that college education is not necessary for certain groups of students. So, most students should consider their own situation to decide whether to enter the university.
But they also have different opinions. Ellen Ruppel Shell questioned the significance of college in finding a job. “Does the college help students to get higher pay, or the people already to get higher-paying jobs?” Ellen Ruppel Shell questioned whether universities can play a real role in the work path. She believes that employers are more willing to hire those who have a college degree, just because this degree serves as a certificate to prove that these people are more capable, rather than it is meaningful going to college. But Emma Kerr doesn’t think so, “the long term the combination of specific and general education you get in a bachelor's degree is more valuable than specific education alone in any particular field.” Emma Kerr believes that university education has an irreplaceable value, and hopes that people can fully understand the four-year university education.

Hanting Lu

12/27/2021 08:52:18 pm

Both articles discuss the issue of four-year universities, and their views have similarities and differences. For Emma Kerr, he believes that students can get a higher starting salary through university, but for some special occupations or professions that require skills, a four-year university is unnecessary. Because universities are expensive, there are other alternative ways to earn the same money. For Ellen Ruppel Shell, college is no longer worth it, because society needs more workers and people who make money through energy, not many intellectuals.
For them, they all support students to make their own decisions, and students should decide whether they need four-year university study based on their career development prospects. For the bottom 25% of the university or the students whose family income cannot fully cover the tuition, there is no need for university study, but the remaining 75% or for most people can get a better return. In addition to engaging in professional jobs or workers that require skills, if the job requires intelligence and knowledge, then going to a four-year university must be a better choice. But it still depends on the students' own choices.
But there are still differences between the two of them. Kerr believes that even though most students have financial problems that cannot afford tuition, they can increase their value in some ways and make more money. , And even provide children with a better educational environment. Going to college allows them to develop critical thinking or other thinking skills and improve their knowledge. This is something that other occupations cannot achieve. This is why they need a loan to go to school. But Shell has the opposite view of Kerr. He believes that having a bachelor's degree does not mean anything, it does not mean that they are more capable. Even more than 40% of high school students earn more than undergraduates in terms of annual salary. The diploma is just a privilege or certificate. It is difficult for them to learn enough job skills in university, but it does not mean that these people are more capable.
In short, they all think that universities are useful and can learn knowledge for students, but Kerr believes that they can change their lives through universities. Shell does not believe that this knowledge is necessarily useful for work, and it is not necessarily positively correlated with work performance.

Harris Su

12/27/2021 08:57:09 pm

These two articles talk about whether kids should go to college or not in a different aspect. For Emma Kerr’s article, she suggests the kids going to college by saying that college graduates gain an average of 30000 dollars more compared to the ones who only finish in a high school diploma. This could be a huge difference for people’s careers. People who go to college seem to like working in an office. People who only earn a high school diploma mostly use their strength and hard work to make money and it is also a different style.
However, from Ellen shell, she brings up that student loans are threatening college kids. People are expecting to pay off their student loans in a few years after they graduate but it mostly takes longer than people expected. It depends on how much they borrow and what they end up with but it is tons of pressure on people’s backs because it is hard to pay off those debt. Another point she is saying about there are about 40% people drop off college
and didn’t finish their undergraduate degree. They make only 3000 more than the ones who just end at high school. which is not worth it. Also, people who are in the last 25% who graduate from college seem to make even less money than average high school diploma people make which is not worth it. Also there is only about 25% of the work required for a bachelor degree.
It really depends on people’s own situation which is the best suit for them. There is always a way to get to success and getting a higher education is just a common way of it. People should adjust their own situation and make the best decision for themselves instead of just doing what people think is right in common.

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